Osama bin Laden is Planning Something for the US Election »
Posted by: jovial 5 months agoUS author Steve Coll spent years looking into Osama bin Laden's family. Now, his new book provides a unique insight into the clan. SPIEGEL spoke with him about where the terrorist might be hiding, how his father got his start, and the unique romantic liasons pursued by one of his brothers.
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jovial5 months ago
If Osama attacks the U.S. again at election time, it would be suicide for him and any country harboring him. Just let him try. If McCain is elected he might just try.
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ETproductions5 months ago
He will try it exactly in order to elect McCain. The RepugniCons are so fond of using him as a bogey man they can't possible let him get caught. That's why Bush wouldn't let his Army officers order in special forces at Tora Bora to capture Bin Laden and the Taliban leadership.
McCain would be as much of an ally for bin Laden as Bush has been. Bush killed off his mortal enemy, Saddam and opened up Iraq as a new theater of operation for al Qaeda. Bush's Iraq occupation has given bin Laden a massive windfall of recruiting and propaganda fodder in the Arab world.
But the Iraq debacle strengthened another bin Laden enemy, Iran. McCain can't even get that straight. He thinks Iran trains al Qaeda and attacking them would hurt bin Laden. So al Qaeda wants McCain elected to attack Iran, eliminate another al Qaeda enemy, and keep the Islamic Radical recruiting going.
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Dionys5 months ago
"If Osama attacks the U.S. again at election time, it would be suicide for him and any country harboring him."
He already got away with it once. What's to stop him from getting away with it again? Not Bush. He's in bed with the Bin Ladens.
I'll tell you what "Osama's" attack will be:
The implementation of National Security Presidential Directive 51:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05...
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libsRfunny5 months ago
Funny how you glossed over this ...
"It would have been possible to eliminate Osama bin Laden, specifically between 1998 and 2001, in the time before Sept. 11. We had agents on site at the time, and they gave (former President Bill) Clinton the chance to strike three times."
But, being the horn dog putz Bill Clinton truly is, he fumbled every time and gave us 9/11. That is the true, failed legacy of Bill Clinton.
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not2needy5 months ago
McCain is just the guy to get this done, not personally of course, but if he is elected, it is probably our destiny.
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ETproductions5 months ago
McCain is the LAST person to get this done. McCain doesn't even know who the various players in the Middle East are. He wants to attack those most likely to help us and give a free pass to the terrorist who he will use, just as George W. Bush has used them, to get whatever he wants rmmed through congress using fearmongering.
McCain is NOT tough on defense, he is DUMB on defense.
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memestryker5 months ago
McCain was leading the charge to go into Iraq--he shared this on late night TV shortly after 9/11, saying they had strong intell on Saddam. People with short memories may have forgotten that Saddam told his own military leaders he had WMD--so he inadvertently contributed to his own demise.
Both Obama and Clinton scare me, though. They want to disarm ordinary American citizens, and actually seem to think that adult psychopaths, sociopaths, malignant narcissists (what have you) can be reached with love and acceptance. That's like bringing an injured pit viper into your home and nursing it back to health.
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memestryker5 months ago
I have my doubts about all the candidates--and who they may appoint. The dems refuse to see the very real threat that Islamic extremists pose (it's about power--not "religion" or "how people pray"), and the repubs seem to be easily distracted by red herrings (attacking Iraq in the first place, not actively going after bin Laden when they had the chance on multiple occasions, etc.).
And one correction, Dionys--Osama's gotten away with it repeatedly, not just once.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin5 months ago
July 5 2006, the branch of the CIA that was supposed to hunt down Bin Laden was closed.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13699308/
Was this a big story
yes
Was this covered as a lead story news-wide?
It escaped my notice for months, not that I'm a newshound, but still, I'll bet a lot of folks are not aware that the search has been officially 'off' for what? a year and a half or more?
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memestryker5 months ago
Bin Laden has attacked the U.S. irrespective of party in power. I don't think who we elect will make a lot of difference in his strategy.
I've read arguments that McCain would keep Bin Laden's organization focused, or that Obama would be more receptive to placating him, but we know that Western women generally are not Osama fans, so it doesn't take a leap to determine he's probably not a Clinton fan.
It looks like Obama, like Jimmy Carter before him, has the popular vote by a landslide and enough delegate votes as well. He scares me, though, because he just doesn't seem like a big picture guy, and his slogan, "Change we can believe in," leaves me absolutely cold. And if he continues his push to disarm U.S. citizens, I think he'll have serious trouble on his hands right here at home.
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hyperbola5 months ago
So far we have been awfully stupid in the "war on terror". McCain promises to continue that stupidity.
Generals Bin Laden and Bush
... That the Iraq War is "fueling the spread of the jidahist movement," as the 2006 National Intelligence Estimate put it, has been a truism of intelligence reporting from the war's beginning; indeed, from before it began. "[T]he Iraq conflict has become the cause célèbre for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of U.S. involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating support for the global jihadist movement" -- this point from the 2006 NIE is truly an example of a "chronicle of a war foretold".
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hyperbola5 months ago
... That broader story comes down to a matter of two strategies and two generals: General Osama bin Laden and General George W. Bush. General bin Laden, from the start, has been waging a campaign of indirection and provocation: that is, bin Laden's ultimate targets are the so-called apostate regimes of the Muslim world -- foremost among them, the Mubarak regime in Egypt and the House of Saud on the Arabian peninsula -- which he hopes to overthrow and supplant with a New Caliphate.
For bin Laden, these are the "near enemies," which rely for their existence on the vital support of the "far enemy," the United States. By attacking this far enemy, beginning in the mid-1990s, bin Laden hoped both to lead vast numbers of new Muslim recruits to join Al Qaeda and to weaken U.S. support for the Mubarak and Saud regimes. He hoped to succeed, through indirection, in "cutting the strings of the puppets," eventually leading to the collapse of those regimes....
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hyperbola5 months ago
...In this sense, 9/11 proved the culmination of a long-term strategy, following on a series of attacks of increasing lethality during the mid to late 1990s in Riyadh, Nairobi, Dar es Salaam, and Aden. The 9/11 attackers used as their climactic weapon not transcontinental airliners or box cutters but the television set -- for the image was the true weapon that day, the overwhelmingly powerful image of the towers collapsing -- and used it not only to "dirty the face of imperial power" (Menachim Begin's description of what terrorists do), but also to provoke the United States to strike deep into the Islamic world.
... Americans, by relying on air bombardment and on the ground forces of their allies in the Northern Alliance, avoided the quagmire of Afghanistan -- at least in that initial phase -- and instead offered bin Laden a much greater gift. In March 2003, they invaded Iraq, a far more important Islamic country and one much closer to the heart of Arab concerns.
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Spadecaller5 months ago
I wonder how much attention we should really devote to Ousama bin Laden and the fear of another attack...
Tne media and the government's manipulation of 9-11 has added more injury and death, as well as causing the loss of our precious freedoms.
So how much attention should we really devote to the fear of terrorism? The fear of terrorism is proving to be worse than the act of terrorism in terms of its destructive power.
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jordan115 months ago
The fear of terrorism is proving to be worse than the act of terrorism in terms of its destructive power.>>>>
It certainly is causing some to make rash decisions, like voting for the rhinestone cowboy to save them.
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libsRfunny5 months ago
"So how much attention should we really devote to the fear of terrorism? The fear of terrorism is proving to be worse than the act of terrorism in terms of its destructive power."
Given the fact al Qaeda struck on US soil twice and at other U.S. targets continuously throughout Clinton's presidency, I'd say it deserves far more attention than, say, the fable of man-made global warming.
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hyperbola5 months ago
Actually John McCain has killed more Americans (by forcing them to live in a nuclear waste dump) than Bin Laden.
Senator McCain's history of Human Rights Violations
Do No Evil â;; The Dineh-Navajo were literally swept off of lands they'd owned since 1500 A.D. by legislations authored by Senator McCain on a ruse that handed the coal beneath them over to the largest unsustainable energy corporation in America. Forced resettlements have led to disease and early death among more than 7,000 of the Dineh-Navajo.
http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/04/02/...
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memestryker5 months ago
Islam has slowly, over time, eventually taken control of most countries it has entered once it gets its numbers up. Its adherents already insist on concessions and have tried to win the right to inflict shari'a on their own people in both the U.S. and Europe--requesting separate "courts."
They've intimidated the world--including the U.N.--to bow to shari'a under the guise of "religious defamation," and countries and organizations are adopting shari'a out of fear.
I think we should devote a lot of attention to terrorism.
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chevydog5 months ago
I would not be surprised. However, from various sources, OBL had planned activities for other election days, July 4, the opening day of baseball season, and various other times.
During my lifetime, I've been fortunate to survive:
Swine flu
The next Ice Age
A comet hitting the Earth
An alignment of plants that would flood almost everything
Global warming that would flood almost everything
The date September 9, 1999 --computer bugs
Computer bugs from Y2K.
The above terrorist efforts
Other things I don't now recall
The thing that all of these had in common was publicity generated by someone who had a vested interest, not necessarily only financial, in making them public.
I realize that there are terrorists under every bed--probably collecting toxic dust. But in my life in the rural Midwest, terrorist activity rouses about the same concern as global warming.
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globalwarmer5 months ago
You forgot Armageddon. It was supposed to come before I finished high school.
oops! missed your post teech.
Come to think of it, I never finished High school, maybe gods waiting for me to get my diploma before the end.
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chevydog5 months ago
I would not be surprised. However, from various sources, OBL had planned activities for other election days, July 4, the opening day of baseball season, and various other times.
During my lifetime, I've been fortunate to survive:
Swine flu
The next Ice Age
A comet hitting the Earth
An alignment of planets that would flood almost everything
Global warming that would flood almost everything
The date September 9, 1999 --computer bugs
Computer bugs from Y2K.
The above terrorist efforts
Other things I don't now recall
The thing that all of these had in common was publicity generated by someone who had a vested interest, not necessarily only financial, in making them public.
I realize that there are terrorists under every bed--probably collecting toxic dust. But in my life in the rural Midwest, terrorist activity rouses about the same concern as global warming.
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simonsez5 months ago
Worrying is about the only thing we do well these days, chevydog. We hardly deserve our good fortune to have been born American.
Was able to give you positives twice!
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ybdogsct5 months ago
COMMODORE:
"I'm sure the democrats will aid UBL to take out McCain & help either of them win the election."
Actually, of the two major political parties, only a REPUBLICAN has been indicted for aiding Al Qaeda.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,323250,00.html
"Mark Deli Siljander, a Michigan Republican, was charged with money laundering, conspiracy and obstructing justice for allegedly lying about being hired to lobby senators on behalf of an Islamic charity that authorities said was secretly sending funds to terrorists.
The 42-count indictment accuses the Islamic American Relief Agency of paying Siljander $50,000 for the lobbying -- money that turned out to be stolen from the U.S. Agency for International Development.
Siljander, who served in the House from 1981-1987, was appointed by President Reagan to serve as a U.S. delegate to the United Nations"
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walden35 months ago
"Although we are ushering the fourth year after 9/11, Bush is still exercising confusion and misleading you and not telling you the true reason. Therefore, the motivations are still there for what happened to be repeated," bin Laden said. The tape was aired on the Arabic language network Al-Jazeera Friday, just four days before the U.S. presidential election."
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/binla...
Ohwwwwww, the big bad boogie man is back. Everybody better get your plastic sheets and duct tape. Better leave your light on at night.
The real war is between the American people and our government. We need to stop this crazy serial killer foreign policy, protect our civil liberties and right our economic ship.
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Hobe5 months ago
Osama bin Laden is Planning Something for the US Election
Is it fair to say that BJ Bill and Hillary Clinton could have delt with Osama Bin Laudin and thus 911 may never have happaned? Subaquantely, the Iraq War may never have happaned?
But No, BJ bill was too busy with Monica 'the dirty dress' Lewinski... Monica was smart to save the Filthy dress Stained by bill clinton, who know's what the clintons may have done to her???
The Clinton's, Corruption, Scandle, and Lies..
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walden35 months ago
At least be honest, Clinton wasn't too busy with Monica. If you'd ever been on the receiving end you'd know that it only occupies minutes.
On the other hand a staggering amount of his time was occupied due to people like you who could not live without hearing all of the salacious details.
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Dionys5 months ago
"Is it fair to say that BJ Bill and Hillary Clinton could have delt with Osama Bin Laudin and thus 911 may never have happaned? Subaquantely, the Iraq War may never have happaned? "
Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11. Stop buying the constant lies of the current administration and educate yourself.
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amazed5 months ago
now, anyone who has read stuff I've posted for any length of time knows that I am certainly no fan of Clinton's, BUT -- had Clinton bombed the bunker or otherwise taken out bin Laden before 9/11, he would have been pilloried -- oh, he did it without a trial, there was no habeous corpus, innocent until proven guilty, he was wagging the dog to take attention away from (insert the appropriate scandal of the week here) and so on.
bin Laden would have gone done as a whackjob nutcase -- probably considered reasonably harmless taken out for a politcal purpose. The only reason Clinton is getting any grief for NOT taking him out is hindsight.
We know this is so because we don't really know what Saddam would have done -- maybe nothing, maybe he would have turned into another Hitler (he was making the appropriate noises for that). But we took him out before we got a chance to find out, so he will always remain the petty dictator that we attacked for no good reason.
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libsRfunny5 months ago
"bin Laden would have gone done as a whackjob nutcase -- probably considered reasonably harmless taken out for a politcal purpose. The only reason Clinton is getting any grief for NOT taking him out is hindsight."
World Trader Center 1993, Sudan, Mogadishu, Yemen and other events were justification enough to take him out. Instead, Clinton allowed al Qaeda to completely infiltrate the US a second time and murder more than 3,000 innocent civilians on top of all the deaths they already had inflicted upon US forces.
Good thing we are taking the fight to them instead of letting them do it to us yet again -- which is exactly what would happen if we pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan now.
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Dionys5 months ago
Seems to me that Bush is not only the terrorists best friend (having increased terrorism and in invading a soverign country under pretense given al-quaeda recruitment power), but is specifically Osama Bin-Laden's best friend having canceled any attempts at apprehending him a number of times.
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HMMace5 months ago
PAKISTAN IS PROTECTING OSAMA--AND WE DON'T WANT TO OFFEND PAKISTAN ??
THE SAUDIS ARE PROTECTING OSAMA, AND WE DON'T WANT TO OFFEND THEM???
ARE WE NUTS??? OUR POLITICIANS ARE LEADING US INTO OBLIVION...
GET RID OF ALL POLITICIANS---NOW...RE ELECT NONE OF THEM..
GEORGE BUSH IS A MONSTER..A VERY EVIL MAN..
AND
ALL POLITICIANS ARE GREEDY CROOKS..
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Howtogo5 months ago
He opened his big mouth before the 2004 election and guaranteed Bush's re-election. I wonder if he will do the same again and assure McCain's election.
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bluenote15225 months ago
Dionys, So you say Bush has avoided capturing Osama on purpose. You need to up your dosage brother! If he caught Bin Laden would you be happy? The world would be safe then? Stop hating and start thinking!
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automan9095 months ago
If we get bombed again by the muslims I hope the bomb is right where you left wing commies hang out. Maybe that will be a wake up call.
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bluenote15225 months ago
Bin laden's plan is to redecorate his cave. The Libs act like he's living in a palace. If we don't catch him God will.
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